tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post17881705283954052..comments2024-02-23T11:23:45.971-05:00Comments on Lost Motorcyclist: KOS Bulls Eye vs. Palin's Cross Hairs on Gabrielle GiffordsLost Motorcyclisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08873504561959138792noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-70300340040866819142011-01-10T12:44:06.925-05:002011-01-10T12:44:06.925-05:00You make a valid point, that not all crazies are o...You make a valid point, that not all crazies are on the right. And you may be surprised to know that I have written a blog on December 15, 2009 with that exact same title.<br /><br /><a href="http://lostmotorcycles.blogspot.com/2009/12/not-all-crazies-are-on-right.html" rel="nofollow"> Not All Crazies are on the Right </a><br /><br />So does that mean I agree with you, or that you agree with me? <br /><br />I am not questioning any of them, but I have never before heard of any of the "LEFTY HATE" examples you linked to coming from Michelle Malkin's site. No, I cannot match the extremism and repulsiveness of those examples. But I am not really trying to find out who has committed the most disgusting repulsive acts.<br /><br />I am just an ordinary middle of the road guy who does not look for extreme repulsiveness on purpose. I'm not saying that you are doing that, you are probably just trying to defend the right against these accusations of violent rhetoric, by showing that the left does exactly the same thing. And if nobody on the left had tried to politicise this tragedy, you would not have needed to give the example of all those insane left wingers to help give us a balanced point of view.<br /><br />But this only the latest one of a number of murders of liberals and Democrats that (so far) have gone unanswered by the left wing crazies. So I think it is understandable that the liberals and Democrats are starting to worry that this is turning into a one sided game of veiled death threats being played by at least one well known right wing public figure. The one I heard about is Sarah Palin, and I think she realizes her mistake now, probably wishes she could take that back. Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity would have been too experienced or smart to stumble into that trap. <br /><br />I don't expect it's possible to get every American to tone down their rhetoric. But it should be possible among responsible, highly paid, well known, and well respected members of society. Like Sarah Palin for example, and if some Democrats have made veiled death threats, they should stop too, it's just dumb.Lost Motorcyclisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873504561959138792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-45496837876960872622011-01-10T11:50:12.766-05:002011-01-10T11:50:12.766-05:00I admit it, am the author, also the writer of this...I admit it, am the author, also the writer of this blog. Hope my pace is not too slow for you, as I actually took a lot of time answering your comment, and just have completed now. I decided to put it in a new blog entry, as recently I was having a lot of problems with links in my comments. <br /><br />So check my latest blog entry<br /><br /><a href="http://lostmotorcycles.blogspot.com/2011/01/examples-of-twisting-jesus-words-to.html" rel="nofollow"><br />Examples of Twisting Jesus Words </a>Lost Motorcyclisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08873504561959138792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-9725575223616998702011-01-10T11:46:55.132-05:002011-01-10T11:46:55.132-05:00No, Greybeard, I remain, just like yourself, simpl...No, Greybeard, I remain, just like yourself, simply another commenter on this blog entry.<br /><br />You'll have to debate that '<i>feat of twisting Jesus's words</i>' passage with <a href="http://lostmotorcycles.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Lost Motorcyclist</a> himself <b>;-) </b>Madeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593933575568389288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-40333856101944145712011-01-10T11:33:16.463-05:002011-01-10T11:33:16.463-05:00I'm sorry. I thought this quote,
"The ri...I'm sorry. I thought this quote, <br />"The right wing Christians (who back Sarah Palin) have been able to accomplish the amazing (to me) feat of twisting Jesus's words around to make him into a warmonger..." was under your authorship, Madeye.<br />If that's not the case, please accept my apology. Who IS the author" 'Cause methinks they stepped one step too far.Greybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11919862790973521778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-39754398800911083442011-01-10T11:25:57.206-05:002011-01-10T11:25:57.206-05:00Now, now, Greybeard ... I neither accused Jesus of...Now, now, Greybeard ... <b><i>I</i></b> neither accused Jesus of being a warmonger, nor did I blame Loughner's attack on 'the right.'<br /><br />The first point you'll have to take up with the blogger - it was <i>his</i> contention, and I'll let him speak for himself.<br /><br />As far as the second point (Loughner's attack) my observation was simply that the U.S. is a '<a href="http://www.netwellness.org/healthtopics/domesticv/violenceUS.cfm" rel="nofollow">violent society</a>' - difficult to argue with that, I should think. <br /><br />And, in the context of that general social condition, rather than acting responsibly, as one would expect of one's elected officials, too many fall victim to the temptation to indulge in extreme rhetoric.<br /><br />Your 'Lefty Hate' link is all very interesting, but none of that is relevant to my thesis that too many American <b>politicians</b> resort to extreme rhetoric. In fairness, I suppose, I should also have linked examples from the 'left' (certainly not unknown on the part of Democratic Congressional members) but examples of extreme speech on the part of Republican members was simply easier to find ;-)Madeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593933575568389288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-44932976002832853302011-01-10T10:49:25.539-05:002011-01-10T10:49:25.539-05:00A sampler of lefty hate for your edification.
Can ...A sampler of <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/" rel="nofollow">lefty hate</a> for your edification.<br />Can you even begin to equal the terrible things on that list?<br /><br />If your intent is truly to "tone down the hate speech", good for you.<br />But I take umbrage at your insinuation that this is totally a conservative problem. Conservatives cannot even come close to the vitriol from the left.Greybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11919862790973521778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-90853202148877548082011-01-10T10:40:15.256-05:002011-01-10T10:40:15.256-05:00To try to pin this deranged soul's attack on t...To try to pin this deranged soul's attack on the right is disingenuous. His friends and classmates who probably knew him best call him a "Liberal Pothead". But you won't see me trying to say Liberal hate-speech was the cause of his going off the deep end here.<br /><br />I'm continually amazed at how the left conveniently forgets their behavior. During President Bush's tenure we had radio talk show hosts actually calling for him to be shot... with no investigation. There was a movie produced that actually suggested he be assassinated... "Death of a President" that was hailed as art and protected by free speech. <br />And you know what? I agree. People ought to be able to say what they want, so long as they are also willing to suffer the consequences.<br />But for eight years conservatives had to stand by listening to the most vile, horrible, and often untrue crap coming from the other side that it frankly knocks me out to now see the left try to pin this anarchist's attack on the "Right wing".<br />B.S.<br /><br />Now Madeye, I have asked you for a citation showing "Christian" rhetoric turning Jesus into a warmonger. You've made a very strong accusation there. I'd like to read or hear a reference. (I'm being somewhat facetious here... anyone using that kind of rhetoric is no true Christian, obviously.) <br />But like Bush during his tenure, Christians now seem to be the easy "target" (Ha!) for hate speech and disinformation, don't they?<br />We can take it.<br />Give me a credible citation, please.Greybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11919862790973521778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-6829255087234862932011-01-10T08:29:53.416-05:002011-01-10T08:29:53.416-05:00In the final analysis, it all comes down to the fa...In the final analysis, it all comes down to the fact that the U.S. is a violent nation. In both interpersonal as well as international relations, Americans are quick to resort to violence.<br /><br />'Symbols' such as bulls eyes and cross hairs are integral cultural components and all too often we see comments that are tantamount to, 'They do not agree with us and they deserve to be whacked.'<br /><br />In that context, the anger, hatred and vitriol in U.S. politics, inflamed by the <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/26/video-gop-extremism/" rel="nofollow">extremist rhetoric</a> of some American politicians, is bound to influence other disordered minds to act out, as Loughner has.Madeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593933575568389288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156536327610779049.post-79728274770544125422011-01-10T05:40:34.873-05:002011-01-10T05:40:34.873-05:00Turned Jesus into a warmonger?
Oh wow.
Can you cit...Turned Jesus into a warmonger?<br />Oh wow.<br />Can you cite an example?<br /><br />I'll agree with you that this has become a propaganda war, but it's gonna be awfully hard to beat <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/sarah-palin-e-1.html" rel="nofollow">this statement</a> in that war, wouldn't you agree?<br /><br />I fear we're beyond dialogue. I personally have given up trying to get lefties to answer questions they either ignore or turn into a question I didn't ask in the first place.<br />As a country we are in very, VERY dangerous territory here.Greybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11919862790973521778noreply@blogger.com